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[arioth]

DT kao veli svetski proizvodjac je pre godinu-dve pod svojim krovom uzeo PACE smortizere koji su se radili u Britaniji. Njihovi amortizeri se karakterisu sa jednim od najlaksih amortizera na svetu. Nisam nikada probao vakav prozivod od prostog razloga jer ga u Makedoniji nema. Jedino sto se meni malo ''nesvidja'' je tezina njihovog amortizera koji je za neku allmountain-freeride. Svega 1595 za QR seriju i 1695 za 20mm seriju. Neznam ali nekako nemogu da se oslonim na toliko male brojeve.

[marko035]

Kad sam postavio ovu temu vozio sam Manitou Black Super Air TPC 100mm2004-2005(tu negde),a sad Rebu Race 85mm 2005-2006.Black radi malko vazdusastije dok kako neko rece Reba kao da zabadas u plastelin(nekako kontrolisanije)dok Black radi radosnije(kakav je R7 neznam ali mozda je slican kao Black).Reba ima vise podesavanja i laksa je nekih 100-150gr.naravno rebu sam podesio pa je skoro bila kao Black ali samo priblizno,vratio sam je da vraca sporije jer ima manji hod pa mi efekat plastelin odgovara.Fox je od skoro postao pristupacan koliko toliko sa cenom pa ga ima malo vise ali Rs se najvise vozi jer je prethodnih godina(posebno Reba)bas bila popularna kod proizvodjaca tj najvise su nju montirali na bajkove,sad tu ulecu Fox i Durin ali ima jos i Rebe na sve Xt,Lx-Xt pa i XTR bajsevima.

[marko035]

Dt je dosta lak i zato je mozda i skup ali ima foruma gde ljudi nisu zadovoljni.Kad sam nabavio bajs sa Rebom malo sam citao forume i neki amer kaze kako je menjao Fox za Rebu Race jer ga mrzelo tako cesto da servisira Fox,e sad covek verovatno to archi nemilosrdno pa imao taj problem.Generalno ja sam bio zadovoljan i sa Manitou Black vilom koja je kupljena za 130e ali gotovo nevozena kad sam je pazario.A evo i teksta sta covek kaze da ne bude samo moje puko blebetanje.Ovde on govori i podesavanjima same vile gornja-donja vazdusna komora tako da nekom moze da koristi:

Rock Shox Reba Race with Pop-Lock

Four months ago I sold my Fox F100 RL that came as standard on my Raleigh RDS 9.0 and bought a Rock Shox Reba. The main reason for changing was that the Fox was very maintenance intensive, and, having only one bike I can't afford to be without my fork while it takes a trip to Cape Town to get bushings sorted out. I decided on the Reba because I heard that it required far less maintenance and because they were real easy to get set up and working.
Features and Facts Dual Air:
The Reba has a Dual Air chamber on the left leg and I never really knew what it did, so here in average guy terms is how it works; The positive chamber (on top) adds more compression to the fork. i.e. it makes it harder to push it down. The negative chamber (on the bottom) basically pulls the fork down against the positive chamber. Seems pretty dumb because the basically pull against each other, but in reality this is a neat feature that allows you to set how sensitive you would like the fork to be. It is probably best explained in a simple example;
Lets say you are a race snake that doesn't like any bob or for that matter any real fork movement. What you could do is pump the positive chamber real hard. (so that it is difficult to compress the shock) and then not pump anything, or very little into the negative chamber, (so there is nothing pulling the fork down). The fork would then be supper hard. Now, lets say that you discover that your arms are feeling like you have had an awesome gym workout, after a ride. All you do is add pressure to the negative chamber, this effectively makes the shock overcome the positive pressure easier and voila, the shock is more sensitive to bumps but still pretty resistant to pedaling bob.
I have mine set very plush, I believe that the shock must work for you. I have 110 psi in the positive and negative chamber. I found after much playing around that matching them makes for the plushest ride. The pressure that I ride is nowhere near what they recommend on the fork. I weigh 90kg and for that weight they suggest 140 psi, but it is way to hard for me. Other people I know riding the Rebas also have far lower pressures than recommended, so don't stress about this.
Pop-Lock
This is the greatest little lever since the flushing toilet! I use mine constantly. When I want to get out the saddle on a climb, I just lock it out and can pump as hard as I want. The other good thing about this lockout is that there is still 10-20mm of travel when locked, so the ride is not so harsh. Also, Rock Shox has designed the floodgate that can be set to blow off the lockout on a big bump. On my old shock, I never used the lockout, no I couldn't live without it!
Opinion
In short, I love this fork! It is super stiff, it requires no maintenance (I have now done over 300 hours of hassle free riding) and it looks really good in the anodized black finish!
All the knobs and adjusters are aluminum on the 2006 forks and this adds a bit of class to the product. It does take a while to find your personal sweet spot on the dual air, but it is fun trying all the different setting and getting it just right.
The biggest problem with this fork is that I didn't buy the pimping world cup version, with carbon fibre

Ps:Obratite paznju sto se 'zeznuo' pa nije kupio WC Rebu

[arioth]

Taj dual-air sitem kod Rock Shox-a je veoma tezak za prilagodjavanje. Naime obe komore, pozitivna i negativna treba da budu napumpane na isti pritisak kako bi amortizer radijo vrhunski. Problem je to sto pozitivna komora je mnogo veca od negativne i potrebno je vise pumpanja da bi se napumpala do radnog pritiska. I kada se izvadi pumpa preko ventila ode 10psi pritiska.Posto je negativna komora manja treba 3-4 pumpe da pritisak ode preko 120psi. Ali problem nastane kada se vadi pumpa od ventila. Tada izadje oko 30-40psi pritiska. I kada se pumpa amortizer komore mora da budu skroz prazne. Posto se pozitivna prva pumpa ode malo pritiska i u negativnu. Pre pocetka pumpanja negativne komore obavezno treba da se izbaci taj nepotrebni vazduh.I na kraju kada se obe komore prilagode na isti pritisak dobije se џекпот.

p.s Ako neko ima RS dual air AIR U-TURN amortizer obavezno pre pumpanja da otvori amortizer do maksimalne granice

[marko035]

Koliko sam ja imao vremena da se igram sa pritiskom te dve komore jer sam pozajmio pumpu dok ne kupim moju,isti efekat se dobija kad su komore podjednako napumpane(bez obzira koji pritisak).E sad ja sam varirao izmedju 70-140psi.Ali za prilagodjavanje amortizera potrebama od vozaca do vozaca mislim da je stvar ukusa(navedeo amer a i ja sam iskusio-ne mora podjednak pritisak u obe,valjda ).A kad se skine pumpa gubi se pritisak,gore(+)oko 10tpsi,dole(-) malo vise.Ali nije problem gore napumpas za onoliko vise koliko gubi skidanjem pumpe pa tako i dole i eto,jeste malo odokativno i smarajuce.Zato je Black meni bio ok,nema komplikacije a super radi.Black kad se zakljuca radi 2-3cm dok Reba ima flotgate koji ne dozvoljava da se lock razbije-pa i on se podesava tako da me malo nervira al opet kad coveku dodje da se malo zeza-igra sa svim tim(citaj kad nema sta da radi)ispadne zanimljivo.Provozas pa probas.podesis pa probas itd,itd...

[tataratira]

Da li svaki od ovih amortizera ima neprijatan zvuk kada je zaključan a naletš na rupu ?
Fox ružno zacvili..zvuk metala koji grebe po metalu

radi tog zvuka nemam srca da ga zaključavam..jel to normalna pojava?

[misaxtr]

Kod Manitou-a toga nema, a ni kod RS...

[tataratira]

Fox definitivno cvili čak i na uzbrdicama bez skokova..ali ne svaki put, čudno mi za tu klasu amortizera

[arioth]

Ja koliko znam Fox imaju ''problem'' i sa rebound-om. Naime kada se amortizer napuni i kada treba da se vrati u prvobitni polozaj proizvodi neki cudni zvuk. To sam osetijo kod jednog F-100 RL amortizer koji sam jednom probao.

[tataratira]

evo par stoja kilometara kasnije, nakon što sam dobro obratio pažnju na "disanje" viljuške
definitivno ima bronhitis, kao da diše na slamku, a taj zvuk znači da je pravilno namještena na moju težinu..u suprotnom nema zvuka ali i ne radi kako treba, moj dojam u vožnji ne garantujem
da je pravilo

lokovana zacvči ali sve manje i manje, nakon 500 km tek je proradilo namještanje kompresije
tj radilo je i prije ali se osjetljivost popravila pa se bolje i osjeti raspon od mekanog do tvrdog

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